mitt romney won it by a wider margin than john mccain did. so there's some conservatives that are saying that. others are saying we have to get religion. here's shawn han knit at this. >> he has evolved. >> announcing how he feels about immigration reform. take a look. >> we've got to get rid of the immigration issue altogether. it's simple to me to fix it. i think you control the border first. you create a pathway for these people that are here. you don't say you've got to go home and that is a position that i've evolved on because, you know what, it just -- it's got to be resolved. the majority of people here, if there's some people that have criminal records, you can send them home. if people are here, law abiding, participating beings four years, their kids are born here, it's first secure the boarder, pathway to citizenship, done, whatever little penalties you want to put in there if you want, but then it's done. >> avik, i want to hear your thoughts on this evolution after we take the break. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-